Swapisodes 7 and 8 – with Bob Hodgetts, Partner, Everoze
Can fewer fee earners than those supporting them work?
I didn't import any preexisting model of how a consultancy should run. I've been making it up as I go along.
So we ended up with five Connectologists® and ten people supporting them—the inverse of most consultancies. Bob Hodgetts from Everoze wanted to know how that works financially, and whether it's a feature or a bug.
In this episode, we get into the ratio, the auction we ran to reduce clients by 80%, and the one thing I'd do differently next time.
No bosses, lots of leaders: can it scale?
An energy lawyer once told me Everoze is a cult.
I had to find out more. 85 people across the UK, France, and Spain. No bosses. No job titles. Open book on everything—including what everyone earns. Bob Hodgetts, one of the founders, explains how it actually works: technology teams, functional teams, peer-reviewed pay, and a challenge board to stop things falling through the cracks.
The surprise: they're pragmatic about it. Bossless doesn't work for everything—and they built one of their spin-offs hierarchical on purpose.
